Will The Coming Verus Ultra be a Smokin Deal?

[Witsend]

Scanner, Oscilloscope, Wi Fi , Cable TV , built in pressure transducer, power probe , Bose Sound system , a smoke machine, and a calendar gals on boot up and shut down, (plus all old versions of software ) What more could you want?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Iy973BpaA

[maven]

Youre silly.
Im guessing its gonna lose Windows, switch to same OS as the MU/VU and just be a big screen, 4channel wireless ModisUltra.

[gentz]

Now for a scanner with those specs I would pay the close to 10K..

[Wheel]

Scanner, Oscilloscope, Wi Fi ,

A minimum, and don't forget bluetooth.


Cable TV , Bose Sound system ,

If you want a toy, there are much cheaper and more efficient alternatives.
If you want to be productive, these would have no place on a piece of diagnostic equipment.

built in pressure transducer,

What if it broke? Current system is better.

power probe , a smoke machine,

Better as separate, stand alone units - however, if there were a way to control them wirelessly from the Verus it might open up interesting possibilities, especially if the power probe had a combination power probe / signal injector feature !

and a calendar gals on boot up and shut down,

I could definitely go for that - only not much scanning (at least not automotive ) would get done.

(plus all old versions of software )

Completely agree
What more could you want?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Iy973BpaA

You asked
The Pro hardwarewise is actually pretty good, but can be improved on, I believe.
Maybe a slightly taller screen
ability of the scan module to dock with the main module (no usb cable needed) so it can share vehicle power with the main unit
and give an easy alternative to wireless when not needed, in addition to being easier to carry around
solid state drive with choices between 120 and 500 gb
external access to hard drive - one thing this would allow one to clone the drive and if one made mistakes and the software was corrupted , just plug in the spare and get back to work. Also, one could keep different update versions on different drives, and if one found a bug in the new version, one could switch to a drive with an older version and get back to work. OR, if one wanted to add OEM softwares that didn't play nice together, one could rapidly switch these out and get back to work.
A cpu capable of handling most, if not all available automotive software
including OEM
As much memory as needed by any automotive software one chooses to add
or as much as the operating system could recognize
Don't skimp on the wifi / bluetooth card. Give us the best available and charge accordingly. I feel this has always been a weak spot.
In addition to not eliminating the current scope and transducer jacks, add a direct amps reading jack like the Verus Pro has capable of reading 20 amps.

Ability to access and control wirelessly the present or future Snap On borescopes - a LIVE big picture would really be a HUGE advantage - anyone agree?

Ability to communicate with and control a wireless battery/ charging system tester

Software?
Windows 7 32 bit
bring back ALL the missing 10.2 features we asked for the return of
Vastly improved, more user friendly way to simultaneously use scanner and scope.
scanner: concentrate on achieving complete pid coverage on all modules,
give us as many bidirectional controls as possible, communicate with as many modules as possible, more complete troubleshooter coverage including euro
with direct links to it from codes
scope: capture times limited only by hard drive capacity, better ability to zoom into or out of a capture on either vertical or horizontal scale such as competitive pc based scopes can now do, ability for the user to define generic or aftermarket probes to the Verus such as hi amp probes, pressure transducers, temp probes, or whatever so it reads out on the scope in the desired units - no math required. Both vertical and horizontal cursors, or better yet, a choice for the user between the current 2 cursor system and a 4 cursor system, RPM graphing like the original Vantage could do,
Ability to graph spark, waste, or power kv and burn time or voltage (primary or secondary) like the original vantage with kv module could do,
scope accessories like superimposable piston and tdc charts, Built in calculators that could, for instance use scope and cursor inputs and calculate, say, fuel pump RPM for you and the like.




That's enough for now, but by no means a complete list of what my ideas for a perfect or at least better diagnostic tool would be

[Witsend]

how about Verus Glass built into safety glasses with blue tooth voice command

The actual Verus could sit on docking station , VCI plugs in car, probes and transducers, can be either blue tooth or by shielded wire. Tech just uses a small handheld remote to supplement menu selection by voice and see's it through something like Google glass. Old guys like me that use prescription glasses probably be SOL, and have to carry around the Verus unit.

http://www.cnet.com/news/google-glass-handed-out-to-all-medical-students-at-uc-irvine/

[maven]

Youre completely out of youre mind.... :lol:

Whatever happened to KISS?

You think theres issues now?....just imagine the problems that would occur with your Verus Ultra.....

I dont see them offering even half of what youd like to see, ever...but if they did it would easily be a $15,000 piece of equipment.

And to bee honest I wouldnt want one that was that integrated into SnapOns other tools...wireless charging system tests and control of the borescope? Come on..

[Wheel]

Youre completely out of youre mind.... :lol:

Whatever happened to KISS?

I am for keeping it simple, but not at the expense of job related capability.

You think theres issues now?....just imagine the problems that would occur with your Verus Ultra.....

Probably not any worse than they are now.

I dont see them offering even half of what youd like to see, ever...but if they did it would easily be a $15,000 piece of equipment.

The non-work related stuff, no - and I wouldn't want it.
The job related stuff - if it made me more efficient - I want it and am willing to pay for more capability. I assume others would as well. Depends on what you want and are willing to pay.

And to bee honest I wouldnt want one that was that integrated into SnapOns other tools...wireless charging system tests and control of the borescope? Come on..

Why not? Each of these either as a standalone unit or as a separate optional module for the Verus just makes sense. If one doesn't want all the top of the line features, that is why he would buy the Modis, Solus, or Vantage Ultras instead. I for one would use these add ons every chance I got and would be trying to figure out more.

There's a lot of room for improvement. I would be surprised if they WEREN"T
working on the next generation Verus now.

[Witsend]

I think Google Glass be replaced by something similar looking but way cheaper

Fiber optic wire will run from something like a Blue tooth phone and then to the eye wear that simply will displays the Verus screen.
Be way cheaper to replace the broken red plastic made in Taiwan frames or eye screen display than the red made in Taiwan Scanner body assembly.
Probably just be mirror image delivered to another mirror by a glorified sewer camera attachment plugged in to some red Beta Test model I phone model that didn't make it, that will be a $1500 optional Snap On accessory for a shop that feels it's better than having the techs knock the sh@t out of the main Snap On scanner body

[maven]

Wow...I need some of what you guys are smoking.

[Crusty]

AFAIC here are the two most important things mentioned here....Along with the KISS principle-!!!

"scanner: concentrate on achieving complete pid coverage on all modules,
give us as many bidirectional controls as possible, communicate with as many modules as possible,...."

I would correct this to say ALL the modules the vehicle has and ALL the bi-directional controls the vehicle has-!!!. NOT just as many as "possible"-!! They're all possible or the factory tools wouldn't have them-!!

If a scanner can't communicate with ALL the modules on a vehicle and it cant display ALL the pids the vehicle supports the rest is just FLUFF AND CANDY-!!!!!!!!

We need the data and information from the vehicle in a concise ACCURATE format and they're still working on THAT.

Wi-Fi, blue-tooth, touch screens, and all the other fluff takes AWAY from PROPER vehicle repair and the KISS principle is easily lost in the attempt to create sales.......that does NOTHING to help a tech check, test and diagnose a vehicle.

I BITCHED and moaned for FIVE YEARS just to get more complete PID display on GM vehicles and they FINALLY did a decent job of it with 13.2. It's not perfect and the inclusion of some pids brought out other issues (that still need addressing) and if you think having a machine that will wash the dishes and bring you a beer from the fridge is desireable then be carefull what you wish for....you just might get it.

[Witsend]

Re Wow...I need some of what you guys are smoking.

If I were wrenching in India , I 'ld convert a Hookah in to a smoke machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMok2y05jNE

[sbreland73]

Wow...I need some of what you guys are smoking.

2nd

[Wheel]

AFAIC here are the two most important things mentioned here....Along with the KISS principle-!!!

"scanner: concentrate on achieving complete pid coverage on all modules,
give us as many bidirectional controls as possible, communicate with as many modules as possible,...."

I would correct this to say ALL the modules the vehicle has and ALL the bi-directional controls the vehicle has-!!!. NOT just as many as "possible"-!! They're all possible or the factory tools wouldn't have them-!!

Actually I agree with you 100% and thought about wording it that way, but I was trying to be more realistic based on their history of reluctance to deliver this complete coverage.

If a scanner can't communicate with ALL the modules on a vehicle and it cant display ALL the pids the vehicle supports the rest is just FLUFF AND CANDY-!!!!!!!!

We need the data and information from the vehicle in a concise ACCURATE format and they're still working on THAT.

Wi-Fi, blue-tooth, touch screens, and all the other fluff takes AWAY from PROPER vehicle repair and the KISS principle is easily lost in the attempt to create sales.......that does NOTHING to help a tech check, test and diagnose a vehicle.

While I firmly believe this stuff helps, I, like you must point out it can do you no good on what the tool does not cover no matter how good or expensive that tool may be.

I BITCHED and moaned for FIVE YEARS just to get more complete PID display on GM vehicles and they FINALLY did a decent job of it with 13.2. It's not perfect and the inclusion of some pids brought out other issues (that still need addressing)

14.2 seems to be the first release since the 10.4 fiasco in which they have really tried to give back something without taking something away. Maybe someone is waking up.

and if you think having a machine that will wash the dishes and bring you a beer from the fridge is desireable then be carefull what you wish for....you just might get it.

Sadly, we WILL probably get not only that, but also a built in mini microwave, etc before we get the USEFUL things so many of us have been asking for.

Right now I'm hoping they are reversing their takeaway trend starting with this 14.2 update.

Saving scan and scope data for later use has always been of great value for me. Not having enough info or the story behind it makes it of far lesser value.
Typing in that info is next to impossible when in a hurry, which is the norm.
The Verus already has a built in microphone. What would be neat is if an audio narraration of some kind could somehow be optionally saved with each scan or scope capture. I currently know of no diagnostic platform that can do this.
A definite perk for someone when considering a future version of the Verus.
Anything that'll help me get my work done easier or help me learn my trade better through self-education.

[Crusty]

""Saving scan and scope data for later use has always been of great value for me""

There is one GLARING and OBVIOUS BENEFIT of the SnapOn hardware....the ability to save data both from the scanners and the scopes and save them permanently to your computer.
SHOPSTREAM CONNECT-!!!
This information can be saved indefinitely and as long as you save the data in a manner which you can find it, that information can be used later for a "known good" or "known bad" value, whatever the car or component.
This REAL WORLD data is much better than whatever MIGHT be available in factory service information, which is usually far too generic. There are similarities in virtually any manufacturers vehicles. Air/Fuel sensor values for one. Some manufacturers tend to be around 2.9 volts and some are around 3.3 volts. Having a known good 3.5 Nissan on record and using that information to compare to a similar year/make/model that is exhibiting issues is invaluable.
All the above is dependant upon the information BEING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE-!! Without ACCURATE data that includes the PIDS, the rest is just FLUFF. If a scanner can't scan the data then it's NOT a scanner at all.

""The Verus already has a built in microphone. What would be neat is if an audio narraration of some kind could somehow be optionally saved with each scan or scope capture""

OK, so SnapOn wants to be the "touch screen" heros.....any basic smart phone made in the last 6 years (or more) is a touch screen device and has voice recognition software that lets one google whatever is said into the microphone. While it still is very poor for things such as the words "there" vs "their" (and there are many such examples of words) it can usually be worked around. If it's available in a $100.00 smart phone, why isn't it in a $10,000 machine already-??
Because they're more interested in SALES GIMMICS instead of TRUE FUNCTIONALITY.

Once the candy wears off, what really matters is did the machine communicate with the vehicle COMPLETELY and ACCURATELY and can the information be saved and stored, and then recalled easily.

As for getting a beer from the fridge, I'm all for it-!!! But only "after 5"-!! LOL