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Old 06-15-2019, 12:28 PM
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Not sure why they're knocking it. Lol. As technology advances, things get easier. Why is that not good enough? Not sure why, but I like that it actually makes it easier to diagnose. Also, it's not like everyone does their own work. Instead of making fun of the tech, which is everywhere and has been for a while, lets celebrate the advances.
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The point is it does the thinking for you.
What is there to "think" about-?
Desired =X
Actual =Y

While it may be of help for a 1st year apprentice, or a DIY guy, it sure isn't "Intelligent Diagnostics".
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:19 AM
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What is there to "think" about-?
Desired =X
Actual =Y
Sometimes there are just so many damn Data PIDS you need to sift through to find what you actually want. The way some manufacturers catagorize Data PIDS things for some makes are better than others makes. Like GM has some things devided into Misfire, Air Fuel , Transmission, Exhaust Gas recirculation, Evaporative Emission, etc.
Just be nice to go in and be able to easily customize the list in selected category to add few thing not seen in the category besides unchecking things displayed in the category list you do not wish to see.
I had a 2006 Ford Expedition that had a transmission with no direct, or overdrive, but no transmission codes stored yet. On my particular scanner with Ford the live data has no categories and there is probably over a hundred Data PIDS you need to sift through, just to find the relevant transmission Pids.
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When THIS is in the vehicle....
""P008A*00 | Low Pressure Fuel System Pressure * Too Low * Pending DTC."",
it isn't brain surgery or rocket science to look at fuel pressure pids, whatever the vehicle is or however long the pid lists are....
The CODE sent the OP in the direction to test, not "intelligent diagnostics"...
Some vehicles could have one related pid, some may have two, some may have six. Regardless, things need to be tested to verify that what the electronic modules "think" they see is actually the case.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:07 AM
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The name should be made fun of. It's like the Genius Bar at apple stores. But to knock down the tech that's already there just because it makes life easier for most mechanics? Come on, don't do that. Makes people sound like snobs. "After my 1st year, I can diagnose a car by just sticking the oil up my arse and know the exact problem". Just don't. DO NOT.
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To add a few points here:

1) I know Ed personally. I know him to be a very knowledgeable Technician. He's always eager to gain knowledge and share it.
2) I think he chose a poor example to demo what Intelligent Diag can do, because there are plenty of examples where it flags a bad PID without there being a desired:actual reference.

Whether you agree with the premise or power of it, nobody can know the correct ranges of every PID on every vehicle. In instances where there is no desired:actual reference for the PID, Smart Data can get you pointed in the right direction. It's also handy for the guy that doesn't do diagnostics regularly.
I wasn't a fan of it in the beginning, for some of the same reasons stated in this thread. I sure do have a lot of customers that like it though. If I ever get any complaints on it, it's not about functionality. It's about the subscription that accompanies it.

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The pids that show in red (Out of Range). Is this only useful for flagging something KOEO and KOER that is below minimum or above maximum parameters that sets a code ?Operating range is shown in parenthesis on most $1500 and up Chinaman tools that show red. Is the Zeus smarter and can flag the pid still within the Min /Max code setting criteria at any engine loads and display in parenthesis a dynamically changing narrower desired range for that specific engine operating condition like monitoring grams per second on a MAF sensor?
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The pids that show in red (Out of Range). Is this only useful for flagging something KOEO and KOER that is below minimum or above maximum parameters that sets a code ?Operating range is shown in parenthesis on most $1500 and up Chinaman tools that show red. Is the Zeus smarter and can flag the pid still within the Min /Max code setting criteria at any engine loads and display in parenthesis a dynamically changing narrower desired range for that specific engine operating condition like monitoring grams per second on a MAF sensor?
It is supposed to be used at hot idle.
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When THIS is in the vehicle....
""P008A*00 | Low Pressure Fuel System Pressure * Too Low * Pending DTC."",
it isn't brain surgery or rocket science to look at fuel pressure pids, whatever the vehicle is or however long the pid lists are....
The CODE sent the OP in the direction to test, not "intelligent diagnostics"...
Some vehicles could have one related pid, some may have two, some may have six. Regardless, things need to be tested to verify that what the electronic modules "think" they see is actually the case.
Well Crusty...Your a really smart fellar….

The OP read the code description but the OP actually looked in the smart data section to give the clue
Your right...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to use intelligent diagnostics but just maybe there are some technicians that need some extra help. You obviously are way over qualified to use the resources that snap on put in there tool. The point of this post was to show the less advanced techs that this tool can help them and point them in the right direction.

To everybody who responded to this post I thank you for your responses. This post is an example of why there are a lot less posts on a variety of subjects in these forums. Posts are put up to help people not ridicule them or the sponsor. I can take criticism like the rest of them but this post really didn't generate a need for debate. If you would like to debate with me then lets do it in a pm. Would love to hear your theories on this and how you would have approached this topic using intelligent diagnostics....after all..thats what this is about correct?
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What I like about the intelligent diagnostics concept is it rounds up the tests, troubleshooter, etc in one place where you don't have to navigate around the tool to find them

What I absolutely DO NOT like about this is having to be internet dependent on it. No internet for any reason = none of this feature which could AND SHOULD be based in the tool itself.
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