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  • Wheel
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2007
    • 719

    #46
    Originally posted by 737mechanic
    Their doesn't need to be any support for winxp. Winxp has already proven to be a solid OS as long as the updates are written to be winxp compatible they would work just fine. Winxp could be 30 years out of date and updates could still be written to work just fine with it.

    I see what you are saying but just as an example, someone could write a program today that would run perfectly fine in DOS even though Microsoft hasn't supported DOS in years.

    Guess I will never buy a snap on product that uses a Microsoft OS.
    Frankly, it wouldn't matter if it were Windows or something else. The operating system is not the problem but merely a convenient excuse - and if that one don't fly they'll just invent another. Bottom line is they want to railroad you into buying new hardware - want it or not. They should concentrate more on their software and leave their hardware alone.
    Things like adding missing pids & bidirectional controls; add more coding abilities; fixing their user - defined scope presets to work like they once did; adding the option to view and handle scan data LIVE like Shopstream does and like 10.2 did; adding a feature to pop up a separate little troubleshooter window from either a code you need help with or a pid you need guidance or an explanation on and so on. Like Crusty said in an above post & so often in the past - fine tune and perfect what they've already got. Concentrate on the basics first.
    You can expect the reputation of your business to be no better than the cheapest item or service you are willing to sell. - Wheel

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    • Wheel
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2007
      • 719

      #47
      Originally posted by Crusty
      I do understand what you're saying BUT.....it is WinXP....
      ...And still very capable of handling any software Scanner or scopewise that Snap on writes for it - provided they don't go out of their way and deliberately write it so it will not work or load on a certain machine or XP.
      Autoenginuity still supports XP as well as through Windows 10 with the same software and even though it was not listed as supported, I loaded Pico software on an XP machine and it worked just fine. It can be done.


      Win-XP is....how many versions old now-???? THAT writing is also on the wall, and has been for several years.

      And it will be capable of handling things for several more years - if they will let it.

      XP for any ordinary computer IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED. It IS however supported for another short while for commercial incarnations such as the SnapOn kit that uses it. THAT ain't gonna last much longer.

      It doesn't have to be supported to handle newer Snap On software updates

      XP, Win-7, Win-8, now Win-10 is out......

      I still have an old DOS program running using Win-98 Dos-shell on a few computers, some new, some old. I use that old software for what it was designed for. I don't expect any more "updates" and haven't for a long while, and I don't bitch about it.

      I still have some computers running XP as well. Again, I don't expect any "updates" for them either. I use them within their design limitations and support limitations which is none.

      In the 2 above examples, none are probably as new as even the first verus. and I'll wager that even combined they don't come close to the price tag of a Verus. The more money you spend with a company on a product, the more you have the right to expect more from them & their product.

      Even running XP in the older Verus, it's days are numbered, so, SnapOn makes the move to go forward to continue to provide us with reliable tools using newer operating systems that ARE, and WILL BE "supported" for the foreseeable future.

      They prematurely ended support for the Verus - if they get by with it, what males you think Snap On won't end support even more prematurely for the newer tools?

      Everybody was all smiles and happy when SnapOn went from CE to XP to help us keep current. Now there is bitching and moaning when they do the same thing now that XP is FOUR software versions old. Sorry, I can only agree to a point.

      CE is like a stripped down version of Windows 95 with SERIOUS limitations compared to XP and it made it to this year in the solus & Modis and these did a nice job which tells me they have sufficient potential left with both xp and the Verus to run their software for years to come.

      KEEP your older tools, they're still functional. Look into another investment, be it either another SnapOn product or a Chinese offering. One word of warning regarding Chinese ANYTHING. Their entire culture goes back to Sun-Tzu about 2500 years ago. Deceit and deception

      Sounds like a very accurate description of the bean counters & corporate fatcats in Snap On's ivory towers who made this decision.

      As for anyone claiming my ethnic bias, my MENTOR was Asian so I'm very aware of the history of accepted behavior. My Mentor was honorable. SnapOn is far from the worst company in North America regarding behavior.
      Maybe they aren't the worst company regarding behavior - yet, but they are well on their way.
      You can expect the reputation of your business to be no better than the cheapest item or service you are willing to sell. - Wheel

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      • Crusty
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2007
        • 2450

        #48
        It really bothers me the way people snip & fragment what someone else is saying.

        Taking one small portion & retorting to only a portion of what was actually said, takes what was said out of context. A paragraph can contain a complete idea and when it gets fragmented a whole lot gets twisted. You didn't even acknowledge this.... "KEEP your older tools, they're still functional.". I too was raised by depression era parents. I don't "throw away" older tools and I said so. That also was conveniently passed over.

        With the rate of change in the entire electronics industry, not just automotive, things are out of date (some call it obsolete but it's not) within about 18-MONTHS, or less. Regarding "out of date" vs "obsolete", your equipment won't be "obsolete" until the last and oldest vehicle it IS capable of functioning on is heading for the crusher. That won't be for another decade at least. It will still function for what it was originally designed for. You also won't be "forced" to maintain internet service and a subscription for it to operate either.

        Everybody was all smiles when SpanOn went from CE to XP. (Another statement conveniently passed over). What CE was is irrelevant. It had limitations. What XP is, is also irrelevant. Newer IC CPUs do have a hard time running older operating systems (such as XP). I'm lucky I have a computer store locally that understands how to keep my older things running and have (so far) been able to keep my older programs running, sometimes on newer equipment. It most certainly isn't "straight forward" for them to do so. They've had to be a bit "creative" and that isn't really desirable for current, and near future automobiles. There simply isn't the provision for multiple hard drives within hand-held automotive scan tools.

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        • Wheel
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2007
          • 719

          #49
          Originally posted by Crusty
          It really bothers me the way people snip & fragment what someone else is saying.

          Taking one small portion & retorting to only a portion of what was actually said, takes what was said out of context. A paragraph can contain a complete idea and when it gets fragmented a whole lot gets twisted.

          When I use the quote feature, I want the reader to have a complete understanding of what I am responding to, therefore I want the quote as complete as possible with few exceptions. That is your context.
          I also want NO mistake in what I am agreeing or arguing with, so I insert my comments carefully where I feel needed to make my point and make sense and always in a different color so as to not be confused with the original author's statements thus preserving context. Since the original information is all there, I fail to see how anything can get twisted for any reader willing to read.


          You didn't even acknowledge this.... "KEEP your older tools, they're still functional.". I too was raised by depression era parents. I don't "throw away" older tools and I said so. That also was conveniently passed over.

          I think there's some misunderstanding here. First, my statement of being raised by depression era parents was not a rebuke of you, but rather a rebuke of our throwaway society - something I felt you of all people on this site would understand and perhaps even agree with. Nor did I accuse YOU of throwing away old tools - Snap On, maybe, but not you.
          I didn't think responding to the "keep your old tools" statement was necessary as my opinions on this are noted elsewhere and I have to agree. One has no choice but to keep older tools if you want the functionality because Snap On has this nasty habit of not including all the useful features of a tool's predecessor in its so - called replacement.


          With the rate of change in the entire electronics industry, not just automotive, things are out of date (some call it obsolete but it's not) within about 18-MONTHS, or less. Regarding "out of date" vs "obsolete", your equipment won't be "obsolete" until the last and oldest vehicle it IS capable of functioning on is heading for the crusher. That won't be for another decade at least. It will still function for what it was originally designed for. You also won't be "forced" to maintain internet service and a subscription for it to operate either.

          Everybody was all smiles when SpanOn went from CE to XP. (Another statement conveniently passed over).

          My statements about CE and XP was my attempt to address this. Sorry you didn't see it as such.

          What CE was is irrelevant. It had limitations. What XP is, is also irrelevant. Newer IC CPUs do have a hard time running older operating systems (such as XP). I'm lucky I have a computer store locally that understands how to keep my older things running and have (so far) been able to keep my older programs running, sometimes on newer equipment. It most certainly isn't "straight forward" for them to do so. They've had to be a bit "creative" and that isn't really desirable for current, and near future automobiles. There simply isn't the provision for multiple hard drives within hand-held automotive scan tools.
          I've had pretty good luck running xp on computers many times more powerful than the Edge - like the entertainment computer I built myself that I am writing this on. - over 15 terabytes hard drive space, Intel i7, usb 3, wireless, bluetooth. some ssd drives,etc. I'm actually having trouble getting 7 to work on it whereas xp is doing fine. Multiple hard drives may not be possible in the Verus, but multiple bootable partitions should be.
          You can expect the reputation of your business to be no better than the cheapest item or service you are willing to sell. - Wheel

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          • GM guy
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2006
            • 122

            #50
            xp

            Crusty, there is a registry hack you can do to get windows updates for XP
            MS still supports XP embedded OS for updates.

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            • Crusty
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2007
              • 2450

              #51
              Originally posted by GM guy
              Crusty, there is a registry hack you can do to get windows updates for XP
              MS still supports XP embedded OS for updates.
              Thanks GM guy. I'm aware that the XP embedded OS are currently able to get updates. That's ok for now but probably will be gone in another couple of years and isn't for any old computer. It's just a matter of time.

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              • Witsend
                Banned
                • Nov 2012
                • 2942

                #52
                I think Microsoft updates true intent is to slow down performance and cull off the herd of older PC s to keep people moving onto the next generation of stuff.

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                • JFD6314
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 2

                  #53
                  Last verus update ?

                  Snap on is excuse for not providing any more updates after 17.2 is supposed to be that the hardware won't handle software update I'm not sure about that because I'm running windows 10 with 16.4 But I added a solid state drive and Upgraded ramp to gigs 2 Which leads me to believe it it's probably BS about the software thing just trying to sell more scanners, So I think I'll just hold on to mind thank you

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                  • Wheel
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 719

                    #54
                    Originally posted by JFD6314
                    Snap on is excuse for not providing any more updates after 17.2 is supposed to be that the hardware won't handle software update I'm not sure about that because I'm running windows 10 with 16.4 But I added a solid state drive and Upgraded ramp to gigs 2 Which leads me to believe it it's probably BS about the software thing just trying to sell more scanners, So I think I'll just hold on to mind thank you
                    Which model of verus did you do this to?

                    I agree it is a lame excuse to try and sell new scanners. They will purposely and deliberately have to write something into their program for it to either not install or not work on the older veruses. Otherwise one could install it anyway and take their chances and use it. They should make the updates available to the owners of the older veruses at their own risk. I for one would gamble and not cry foul if I did not succeed.
                    You can expect the reputation of your business to be no better than the cheapest item or service you are willing to sell. - Wheel

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                    • Witsend
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 2942

                      #55
                      3rd party post from a corporate lawyer?

                      " Microsoft support for XP Embedded security updates will end in a few years. Snap On designed the Verus as a shop information computer to store confidential shop, customer information, and passwords, so to cover our butts liability wise we got to end the updates now , so 5 years down the road when hackers have found and exploited every remaining vulnerability of XP Embedded OS you should no longer be using a Verus to visit porn sites any longer and moved on to a newer more robust platform that is safer to store yours and your customer's sensitive information."We must Let it Die"
                      Last edited by Witsend; 06-08-2017, 09:58 AM.

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                      • Turbo1dr
                        Junior Member
                        • May 2017
                        • 23

                        #56
                        I have an old 325 Wireless Verus with Windows 7 Ultimate installed. The only thing that's not working is the physical buttons to the right of the screen. I can live without those. Windows 7 Ultimate is slightly slower than Windows XP but it's worth the upgrade. I also put in 2GB of RAM and a 256 SSD....still MUCH faster combination than the WinXP with standard HDD. Boot times with Win7 and SSD is less than 2 minutes to full Snap-On Suite. I also have a 24" NEC Touchscreen with 1920x1200 resolution working beautifully as an external monitor.
                        VERUS Wireless EEMS325 - Windows 7 Ultimate & Windows 10 - 256GB Solid State Drive - 5Ghz WiFi - 17.2 Diagnostic Suite

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