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  • rickc00
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 26

    Stand alone wireless scanner and scope usage

    It is possible to use Verdict's wireless modules with any Windows XP computer with Bluetooth. My $300 tablet is much lighter and faster than Verdict's D7 tablet computer. I prefer to use my tablet with wireless scanner and scope instead of bulky and slow Verdict main unit.

    What I wanted to know - is it legal?

    I know that SO will not like it. So does not Apple, but jailbraking of iPhone is legal (at least so far).
    I do not modify hardware or software and I can only use one of the devices at one time. I don't see a violation here but hey I am not a lawyer.
    Last edited by rickc00; 01-26-2012, 01:05 PM.
  • Skip
    Super Moderator
    • Apr 2008
    • 605

    #2
    I doubt it. The program is married to the unit.

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    • rickc00
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 26

      #3
      Originally posted by Skip
      I doubt it. The program is married to the unit.
      I am using my tablet with snap-on's scanner and scope all the time. The technical side of How To Do it is out of the scope of this thread. The question was if it is legal to do so.
      The tool is used in the place of business. I want to make sure it is legal to use it in such a way.

      If you, as most of us here, is not a lawyer just express your personal opinion on the subject.
      Last edited by rickc00; 01-27-2012, 05:58 AM.

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      • Skip
        Super Moderator
        • Apr 2008
        • 605

        #4
        No, I am not a lawyer, I work for SnapOn. The scanner software is supposed to be protected so that people can't take it off their tool and sell it to sombody else. I have no doubt however, that someone with enough computer skills would be able to figure it out.

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        • gentz
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 191

          #5
          alright, a good how to would be great...lol..beats the crappy processors used on the verus and verdict.
          Diagnostic Specialist, diagnostic tool specialist. You name It I have it or have used it! MasterTech since 1998.

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          • jbmart
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 13

            #6
            +1 on a howto post. I've played around with doing this a little, but haven't had much success.

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            • akicestorm
              Member
              • May 2009
              • 41

              #7
              please tell me how to do this

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              • rickc00
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 26

                #8
                I can't share this information unless it is legal. Hence is my question above.

                Acording to wikipedia

                "In the United States even if an artifact or process is protected by trade secrets, reverse-engineering the artifact or process is often lawful as long as it is obtained legitimately."
                However, "The reverse engineering of software in the US is generally a breach of contract as most EULAs specifically prohibit it, and courts have found such contractual prohibitions to override the copyright law".

                It would be nice to hear something from SO beside "no, it is not possible".

                I am not computer wizard myself. I've had help from someone else. All I can say at the moment is that - no modification to SO's hardware or software is needed.

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                • MasterWrench
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1186

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rickc00
                  I can't share this information unless it is legal. Hence is my question above.

                  Acording to wikipedia

                  "In the United States even if an artifact or process is protected by trade secrets, reverse-engineering the artifact or process is often lawful as long as it is obtained legitimately."
                  However, "The reverse engineering of software in the US is generally a breach of contract as most EULAs specifically prohibit it, and courts have found such contractual prohibitions to override the copyright law".

                  It would be nice to hear something from SO beside "no, it is not possible".

                  I am not computer wizard myself. I've had help from someone else. All I can say at the moment is that - no modification to SO's hardware or software is needed.
                  I think it would be legal as long as you are not taking the software and attempting to sell it on units to someone else. As long as you are using it for your personal use they probably will never know and not do anything about it......my 2 cents....but I am also not a lawyer
                  MasterWrench

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                  • Chevytruckman1234
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 108

                    #10
                    How would you update it? I mean most SO dealers aren't going to touch it for fear of legal issues. Right?

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                    • MasterWrench
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 1186

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Chevytruckman1234
                      How would you update it? I mean most SO dealers aren't going to touch it for fear of legal issues. Right?
                      I would guess you would just update the scanner each time and then transfer the new update similarly as you transferred the first one????
                      MasterWrench

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                      • dave-m
                        Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 54

                        #12
                        It is my understanding that hacking or modifying the software/licence is a violation of copyright law. Making this software work on a different tool would definatly involve spoofing the licence to believe it is valid.

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                        • MasterWrench
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 1186

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dave-m
                          It is my understanding that hacking or modifying the software/licence is a violation of copyright law. Making this software work on a different tool would definatly involve spoofing the licence to believe it is valid.

                          I does not appear they are making it into a "different tool", just changing the platform on which they use the tool, which is the software(from one computer to another)both of which they own. It would be similar to installing Microsoft Office on your laptop and desktop, you can put the software on any machine you want. Again if it is for personal use only and they are not trying to sell "units" it should not be an issue..
                          MasterWrench

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                          • sbreland73
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 1076

                            #14
                            My 2 cents: If Snappy were to get word of this being done, I'm sure they would change the software just enough, or not leave the setup files left on the device, to stop this. The fact that someone CAN actually port the Atlas software to another device opens up the possibilty that piracy could happen. I had given this notion some thought a while back, but having a Verus, I have found that Atlas looks for "hardware" scanner or scope (both if you have a Gen 1 Verus), and will not initialize if it does not see what it is looking for. I think the Verdict can mitigate this because it has no internal "hardware", it's just a "tablet" with the scope and scanner being external, connected by a bluetooth radio. So it would seem Atlas will initialize on the Verdict where it will not on the Verus. Even as the Verus has a "slower" processor, and is for sure not as fast as todays laptops or toughbooks, I like that my diagnostics are all on one easy to carry tool. In my opinion, convenient wins out over speed.
                            S. Breland

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                            • dave-m
                              Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 54

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MasterWrench
                              I does not appear they are making it into a "different tool", just changing the platform on which they use the tool, which is the software(from one computer to another)both of which they own. It would be similar to installing Microsoft Office on your laptop and desktop, you can put the software on any machine you want. Again if it is for personal use only and they are not trying to sell "units" it should not be an issue..
                              It's not about using the software on a different tool that you own, it's how you do it. Ask Microsoft if it's ok to use Office on multiple computers that you own if you only purchased a single computer licence. Same goes for Windows, I can make Win 7 work on any computer I want with hacks and work arounds, I had to buy a three licence bundle to make it legal on my three computers.

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