I looked into this and if you are a one man general repair mobile tech that wants to get a J box and be able to replace and reflash modules and reprogram keys occasionally on the side for extra money ,the expectations are costly, You got to show proof of a current 1 million dollar corporate liability insurance policy plus some other $100,000 policy if you employ others. You need a copy of your current business license, official company letterhead and business cards, Succumb to a background check, Pay $300 every 2 years for license and $75 for processing fees. It appears besides paying for the subscriptions for programming modules there is additional fee per VIN incurred for obtaining security related information of the vehicle like PIN #s , key cut codes , and naturally accessing the key programming on the OE sites. I think by law if a customer wishes to get the security PIN information and key cut codes for their car the dealer should provide them this information. Screw that . If customers can provide me the PIN to their vehicles, I can swap out modules and program keys for them with a MaxiSys in many cases without the expense of purchasing an OE sub, let alone the LSID expenses. It just makes a $50 service more complicated and increase costs to what you pay at the dealership .
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I looked into this and if you are a one man general repair mobile tech that wants to get a J box and be able to replace and reflash modules and reprogram keys occasionally on the side for extra money ,the expectations are costly, You got to show proof of a current 1 million dollar corporate liability insurance policy plus some other $100,000 policy if you employ others. You need a copy of your current business license, official company letterhead and business cards, Succumb to a background check, Pay $300 every 2 years for license and $75 for processing fees. It appears besides paying for the subscriptions for programming modules there is additional fee per VIN incurred for obtaining security related information of the vehicle like PIN #s , key cut codes , and naturally accessing the key programming on the OE sites. I think by law if a customer wishes to get the security PIN information and key cut codes for their car the dealer should provide them this information. Screw that . If customers can provide me the PIN to their vehicles, I can swap out modules and program keys for them with a MaxiSys in many cases without the expense of purchasing an OE sub, let alone the LSID expenses. It just makes a $50 service more complicated and increase costs to what you pay at the dealership . -
Until 2018 Jbox just had to be able to do emissions related programing. We will see what the R2R does for us with this soon. If you don't do a lot of keys its much more cost/time effective to hook up with a good automotive locksmith.Comment
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R2R is the right to repair act. It was supposed to make all this standard. Jboxes used as interfaces for all factory scan tools was one of the things. Many manufacturers already have that, Ford just came out with it but it is only for the 2018 year and forward. We will have to see how it plays out.Comment
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Should be R2R+RU (Right 2 Repair and recycle used
R2R is the right to repair act. It was supposed to make all this standard. Jboxes used as interfaces for all factory scan tools was one of the things. Many manufacturers already have that, Ford just came out with it but it is only for the 2018 year and forward. We will have to see how it plays out.Comment
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Believe me James, I know were you are coming from, many times I wish things were simpler too but I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen. But think of this..... Manufactures gives out PINS to vehicle owners without problems. Breakityourselfers buy a Chinese clone of the Chinese clone tool, go on YouTube see how to do it and again you don't get the job. When I saw how complex things were getting I started to align myself with dealer techs, some techs from this forum, tech form other forums and some other techs in my area. I try and help them whenever possible and they help me when I need it. With some of the local guys, we swap some of the factory tools when needed. Then I have a Great mobile guy for the vehicles I can't do and a great automotive locksmith. These people are my most important tools! Just try and get the measurements from your info system on where to put the target when replacing a blind spot detection module on a 2016 Acura. One call and a fax is on the way. It takes time but it is well worth establishing these relationships.Last edited by Steve6911; 01-22-2018, 09:43 AM.Comment
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Believe me James, I know were you are coming from, many times I wish things were simpler too but I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen. But think of this..... Manufactures gives out PINS to vehicle owners without problems. Breakityourselfs buy a Chinese clone of the Chinese clone tool, go on YouTube see how to do it and again you don't get the job. When I saw how complex things were getting I started to align myself with dealer techs, some techs from this forum, tech form other forums and some other techs in my area. I try and help them whenever possible and they help me when I need it. With some of the local guys, we swap some of the factory tools when needed. Then I have a Great mobile guy for the vehicles I can't do and a great automotive locksmith. These people are my most important tools! Just try and get the measurements from your info system on where to put the target when replacing a blind spot detection module on a 2016 Acura. One call and a fax is on the way. It takes time but it is well worth establishing these relationships.
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