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  • wagzilla
    Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 54

    19.4 yes and no

    So I can't load 19.4 for a week or so and they are going to windows 10 embedded yes!! but you have to send it in and pay $200 bucks booo

    James
  • wagzilla
    Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 54

    #2
    Has anyone sent their Zeus in to get it updated to windows 10?

    How long did it take?

    thanks James

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    • tech25
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2017
      • 172

      #3
      wow, so much for those included updates huh

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      • Glide
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2015
        • 303

        #4
        2015 GMC Terrain,no option to learn key fobs with 19.4.

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        • ASEMASTER
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2019
          • 9

          #5
          Originally posted by wagzilla
          So I can't load 19.4 for a week or so and they are going to windows 10 embedded yes!! but you have to send it in and pay $200 bucks booo

          James
          Does this apply to the verus edge also?

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          • ToltecasChavez
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 408

            #6
            If it's a proxy key, then they're never going to add these functions. Too much legal problems. If it's regular fobs, then yes, but prox keys start cars. You have to get into the system or be a locksmith to get the PIN number. Then you can program prox keys. So makes sense you will never see this on a snap-on product. Same with any prox key, ford, kia, etc. 10 minute wait, etc etc. Also, I spoke to a representative and was told that in order for you to diagnose new chrysler/fiat/etc cars, you have to buy a subscription from chrysler. Which is for a year. Not sure if anyone has done this. My Zeus is at 19.4. Just finished updating it. Took hours! Even though I have FIOS. :/

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            • Glide
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2015
              • 303

              #7
              Regular key.This function(learn new fobs) has been there in previous releases,now it's not.

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              • Glide
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2015
                • 303

                #8
                After looking at 19.4 application guide, I see that keyless entry "special functions" is not included for Terrain and a lot of other models.
                It's great for Snapon to support Lane Keep Assist and many of the new safety systems that most repair shops don't and will not have the required targets,reflectors,etc. to properly set up,but how about supporting the simple things that we use every day? Just my opinion.

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                • Joe Rappa
                  Snap-on DSD
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 2050

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ToltecasChavez
                  Also, I spoke to a representative and was told that in order for you to diagnose new chrysler/fiat/etc cars, you have to buy a subscription from chrysler. Which is for a year. Not sure if anyone has done this. /
                  Check out snapon.com/gateway for the whole story on this.
                  It's a $50.00/year subscription. You've got to have a WiFi connection to begin scanning as well.

                  Joe
                  "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do"
                  Henry Ford

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                  • Wheel
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 719

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Joe Rappa
                    Check out snapon.com/gateway for the whole story on this.
                    It's a $50.00/year subscription. You've got to have a WiFi connection to begin scanning as well.

                    Joe
                    So if you need to do a test drive out of wifi range, you're screwed, right?
                    You can expect the reputation of your business to be no better than the cheapest item or service you are willing to sell. - Wheel

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                    • Steve6911
                      Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 2168

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Wheel
                      So if you need to do a test drive out of wifi range, you're screwed, right?

                      Not sure if once your connected your good but if not bring your cellphone connected to the tool as a wireless hotspot.

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                      • ToltecasChavez
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 408

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wheel
                        So if you need to do a test drive out of wifi range, you're screwed, right?
                        Yes, but we live in 2019 where almost all smartphones have hotspot for free. So it shouldn't be a problem. The real problem is where you live and how your service acts in certain places. That is going to be a headache. And again, snap-on will NEVER add prox functions because people can steal cars very easily. Like super easy to get into a car and program new keys. Specially if the tool can provide the PIN. Chinese tools can do it, but lets be honest, do they ever get into REAL trouble? No.

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                        • tech25
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 172

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wheel
                          So if you need to do a test drive out of wifi range, you're screwed, right?
                          from my knowledge, the sgw is in read only mode normally, so reading faults, and parameters only. but no clearing faults, bi directional control, flashing ect.

                          in order to get those functions, one must authenticate the scan tool with the sgw module. this is done with the wifi function and server with the scan tool.

                          once the sgw recognizes and creates the certificate. it unlocks for 8 hours to allow full access.

                          once the 8 hours is up. you have to authenticate again.

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                          • Wheel
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 719

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ToltecasChavez
                            Yes, but we live in 2019 where almost all smartphones have hotspot for free. So it shouldn't be a problem.

                            No problem unless you don't have a smart phone and even if you did, whose paying for the data minutes usage, you or your employer? Also that is another piece of equipment to fiddle with while trying to test drive, often by yourself. If stuff like this is going to be a trend, Snap on might should consider incorporating the hardware into future tools so the cell phone would not be necessary as the tool could receive the signal by itself.

                            The real problem is where you live and how your service acts in certain places. That is going to be a headache.

                            You nailed the problem right there. I don't think there will ever be global 100% coverage 24/7 with no blackout spots in my lifetime.

                            And again, snap-on will NEVER add prox functions because people can steal cars very easily.

                            They can anyway. If I'm a crook and want your car, it's "gone in 60 seconds" security systems notwithstanding. The only purpose "security systems" accomplish is to make things more difficult and expensive for both the owner and the mechanics working on it. There are two ultimate goals here 1.Greed. if it is too expensive to fix, owner buys another car instead.
                            2. Control. And this is the main goal. If you control a population's transportation, you control THEM

                            Like super easy to get into a car and program new keys. Specially if the tool can provide the PIN. Chinese tools can do it, but lets be honest, do they ever get into REAL trouble? No.
                            Hats off to the Chinese if they make my job or life easier.
                            You can expect the reputation of your business to be no better than the cheapest item or service you are willing to sell. - Wheel

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                            • Wheel
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 719

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Steve6911
                              Not sure if once your connected your good but if not bring your cellphone connected to the tool as a wireless hotspot.
                              If this kind of stuff is in the future, or even if not -
                              I would suggest to Snap on to build this feature into future tools, at least
                              the top of the line ones so no cell phone is needed. What do you think?
                              You can expect the reputation of your business to be no better than the cheapest item or service you are willing to sell. - Wheel

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