06 E250 4.6L missfire solus cant detect

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  • JonCBrand
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 7

    06 E250 4.6L missfire solus cant detect

    I had an 06 E250 with 4.6L in the shop with a light missfire on one cylinder. The solus missfire data was so poor I ended up having to borrow a Ford IDS. Anybody have some tips to get around this?
    The mode 6 data didnt help either.
    Jon
    10yrs at Chevy Buick store.
    GM World Class Certified.
    ASE A1-8 and L1
  • crackerclicker
    Senior Member
    • May 2008
    • 400

    #2
    what software version are you using? and does that use a CAN network?

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    • JonCBrand
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 7

      #3
      Im at 10.2 for software
      And yes the 06 E250 is CAN
      10yrs at Chevy Buick store.
      GM World Class Certified.
      ASE A1-8 and L1

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      • Steve6911
        Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 2168

        #4
        Originally posted by JonCBrand
        I had an 06 E250 with 4.6L in the shop with a light missfire on one cylinder. The solus missfire data was so poor I ended up having to borrow a Ford IDS. Anybody have some tips to get around this?
        The mode 6 data didnt help either.
        Jon

        Jon
        Could you help expand on what was so poor about the data and what helped you with the IDS. Also with Mode 6 what TID's and CID's were you looking at? What codes were present?


        Thanks!
        Steve

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        • JonCBrand
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 7

          #5
          No codes, All the Mode 6 data showed pass on the misfire data. When I used the IDS and went into cylinder contribution it was totally visible that #8 was weak, and mising.

          I couldn't tell you what TID or CID I was looking at since the van has been gone for over a week.
          10yrs at Chevy Buick store.
          GM World Class Certified.
          ASE A1-8 and L1

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          • JonCBrand
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 7

            #6
            I love the hand tools and power tools, but this may very well be the last Scanner I ever buy from Snap on.

            I have $5500 invested in my Solus Pro, and it cant show me a misfire on a ford!
            10yrs at Chevy Buick store.
            GM World Class Certified.
            ASE A1-8 and L1

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            • 66superduty
              Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 66

              #7
              i had to learn in mode 6 not to go by the (PASS) or ok, but to look at the count of miss fires on a cld, even if it said it passed it might show 1100 miss fires against a score of 39,000. hope this helps

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              • JonCBrand
                Junior Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 7

                #8
                This thing showed 0 counts on all cylinders
                10yrs at Chevy Buick store.
                GM World Class Certified.
                ASE A1-8 and L1

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                • greasybob
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 1590

                  #9
                  What was the cause of the misfire ? Bad coil ? Injector ? Could you see it with a scope ?

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                  • JonCBrand
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 7

                    #10
                    I ended up replacing an injector and having the customer drive it for a while. So far so good. I dont have a scope yet, just opened my own shop and money is tight but its on my list.
                    10yrs at Chevy Buick store.
                    GM World Class Certified.
                    ASE A1-8 and L1

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                    • crackerclicker
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 400

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JonCBrand
                      Im at 10.2 for software
                      And yes the 06 E250 is CAN
                      the cyl contribution test on the solus isn't ready for CAN, yet. i'm surprised you would complain that a scanner can't tell you which cylinder is misfiring. if the counters didn't increase in mode 6 then you have an issue that is preventing them from going up, or the misfire you felt was not a catalyst damaging miss. was there a random misfire code? how where your fuel trims during the misfire?
                      personally, i would recommend you get a good scope if you don't like using your scan tool . one channel on all ignition amps, and another on cyl 1 for a synch would have helped rule out coil issues. scoping injector amps would have also helped eliminate most inj concerns.
                      bashing the snap on scantool isn't going to help you with misfires. you want full coverage on fords then you better trade it in for an ids. there isn't a better "all you can scan" tool out there than snap on's offerings.

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                      • JonCBrand
                        Junior Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 7

                        #12
                        I never meant to bash the solus. Its simply frustrating trying to locate a mis. Coming from a Dealer background to a full independant shop is a change and I'm always open to new info. I will definately buy a scope.
                        10yrs at Chevy Buick store.
                        GM World Class Certified.
                        ASE A1-8 and L1

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                        • crackerclicker
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2008
                          • 400

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JonCBrand
                          I never meant to bash the solus.
                          sorry, jon. my post kinda came out snotty. i bet you miss the misfire counters from the tech 2, eh?

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                          • kebo1970
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 212

                            #14
                            ford misfire

                            the cylinder contribution test or misfire is only for ford non-can vehicles. a scope is needed to be sure

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                            • Nickb
                              DSD
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 206

                              #15
                              Originally posted by JonCBrand
                              I love the hand tools and power tools, but this may very well be the last Scanner I ever buy from Snap on.

                              I have $5500 invested in my Solus Pro, and it cant show me a misfire on a ford!
                              Snap-On coverage is the best of any after market scanner. Every upgrade they add stuff like cylinder contribution. It is available for non CAN Fords. just not the CAN Fords yet. You mentioned money was tight. Well if you do not plan on using SO any more and want complete coverage, your going to have to buy OEM. You think you have money tied up now!!!
                              Good luck with your new shop though.
                              DSD

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