Pattern Failure Fixes on Forums and You Tube

[Witsend]

In my opinion it is often better than searching for Manufacturer TSB's in Auto Repair Software.
Why? Because all OE's are very cautious about admitting certain parts of the cars are POS and prone to failure, and the dealer's make money on replacement of the parts after the warranties are up. They aren't going to simply release a TSB and say check this known area first before wasting time digging elsewhere, because it could result in an expensive NTSB recall for them to do so . If you are not an expert on a particular car, Do not scoff at experience of some of the Enthusiast Forums and videos put on YouTube to save you time .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6EExH8L_NE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70b-LJsbFqk

[Tech_A]

Nice find Witsend, Mercedes is a fine product well worth the money.

As a young Technician I was taught a certain workflow in the diagnostic process.

1. Visual Inspection
2a. Record symptoms and when the fault occurs.
2b. Scan for codes, record freeze frame, and reset codes.
3. Duplicate fault.
4. Check Tsb's for symptoms or codes.
5. No Tsb's, follow fault code or symptom diagnosis.
6. No information dig into diagnosis wagon.

In the real world, my shop manager actually endorsed the use of forums and youtube as an information source, but I was stubborn and wanted to find the fault out on my own.

What amuses me most with the technology now is nobody reads or attempts to do things on their own anymore. I've noticed people try to read an instructional article and say f*ck it, I'm going to "youtube" this. I just hope there is still an abundance of people in the future willing to share their experiences and knowledge, because what will we do when we run out of youtube instructions?

[sbreland73]

Originally Posted by Tech_A

I just hope there is still an abundance of people in the future willing to share their experiences and knowledge, because what will we do when we run out of youtube instructions?

I agree. If everyone ends up looking for answers when no one is providing them.......................

[Witsend]

As a young Technician I was taught a certain workflow in the diagnostic process.

1. Visual Inspection
2a. Record symptoms and when the fault occurs.
2b. Scan for codes, record freeze frame, and reset codes.
3. Duplicate fault.
4. Check Tsb's for symptoms or codes.
5. No Tsb's, follow fault code or symptom diagnosis.
6. No information dig into diagnosis wagon.

It comes to #1 on the list, Which is visual inspection. There are lots of dense packed areas to look you ain't going to see Sh@t !GET AN IDEA TO KNOW WHERE TO VISUALLY INSPECT FIRST. TSB's LOL!!!Are you going to trust the OE manufacturer to put a TSB out to inspect a common problem area that could result in a costly recall and a refund of cash for hundreds of Gravy jobs performed at the dealer level, or Enthusiasts and knowledgeable technicians willing to share.
Yeah I had Communication issues to retrieve codes, I replaced a weak battery and still no crank no start. Power Probe2 was acting more funky than usual testing fuses at the RCM in the engine compartment, Checked TSB's Nothing (at least for Chrysler, didn't check Mercedes CLK but -Checked You Tube, Bingo! The time it saved me , I was able to waste time watching some bouncing boobies while having a beer instead of heading into battle against overwhelming odds. And am thankful for the contributions of those who have gone before me.

[Tech_A]

Originally Posted by Witsend

It comes to #1 on the list, Which is visual inspection. There are lots of dense packed areas to look you ain't going to see Sh@t !GET AN IDEA TO KNOW WHERE TO VISUALLY INSPECT FIRST. TSB's LOL!!!Are you going to trust the OE manufacturer to put a TSB out to inspect a common problem area that could result in a costly recall and a refund of cash for hundreds of Gravy jobs performed at the dealer level, or Enthusiasts and knowledgeable technicians willing to share.
Yeah I had Communication issues to retrieve codes, I replaced a weak battery and still no crank no start. Power Probe2 was acting more funky than usual testing fuses at the RCM in the engine compartment, Checked TSB's Nothing (at least for Chrysler, didn't check Mercedes CLK but -Checked You Tube, Bingo! The time it saved me , I was able to waste time watching some bouncing boobies while having a beer instead of heading into battle against overwhelming odds. And am thankful for the contributions of those who have gone before me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9nkG_HnY38

That is just how I was taught, with the lack of information you need an arsenal of diagnostic tests, experience, and skill, which in technical school we dubbed "The Wagon". When your wagon is empty you're SOL. Ive been there, ive called my fellow techs, "hey have you seen this happen to this car."

I do trust OE information, but they are human too so they are bound to screw up once in awhile, "revisions." Of course the dealer does not want to disclose important information and lose business to the indie / aftermarket world, but they are also human in the fact that they can get stumped, they don't have all the info on their "tech line", but at least they have the convenience to shot gun parts from nearby cars or the parts department.

Regarding the power distribution board, how long will this fix last? My assumption is something is not sufficient enough to handle the amperage and causing the solder to burn up, but if you have tail light warranty it doesnt matter.

[Witsend]

Yesterday I pull codes U1161, U1162, and U1163 on a 2001 Lesabre from the Driver door module, check for TSBs for windows, locks, communication. I check wiring diagram and there is no purple wire for class2 communication between the other 3 door modules. Main power and ground ok to all door modules. I check the internet forum and find some mention of issue below driver seat, and some thing pretty good to go on a F'N Yahoo just answer questions and sure enough the answer is spot on. Why isn't there a TSB to check integrity of splice S302 tan/wht serial data wires below carpeting of LF seat?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...3163715AA22biQ

Seems GM wiring harness has an equivalent of a scotch lock connector taped over inside a harness under the seat that corrodes out in damp conditions. I knew as soon as I saw the tell tale green on the floor, there would be green death someplace. Got to wonder if the OE manufacturer fearing a massive recall pays off people not to make this information readily available before 10 years or more.
Note Title above should read No power locks or windows except LF door on 2001 LeSabre