Toyota tpms support in 10.4???

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  • SnapOnKid
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 870

    Toyota tpms support in 10.4???

    04 Toyota highlander 2wd v6
    I looked under all the different modules and functions. I can turn the light on and off on the cluster, but there is no data to tell me if a sensor is bad or if there is an issue with the module that monitors that system. Did I miss something or over look it somewhere? Or is not supported?

    Will it be supported in the future? Is it supported on other toyota vehicles in 10.4
    Last edited by SnapOnKid; 02-03-2011, 07:38 PM.
  • SnapOnKid
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 870

    #2
    Here is the vin info.

    04 Toyota Highlander V6 2wd

    Vin# JTEDP21AX40011752

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    • Joe Rappa
      Snap-on DSD
      • Aug 2007
      • 2050

      #3
      Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that that vehicle has tire pressure sensors. I think that systems uses the wheel speed sensors to detect low tires. There should be a reset button, and a short procedure to follow, after you air up the tires, change or rotate them.

      If I'm right, that is why you don't see tire pressure date...because there isn'y any.

      Joe
      "You don't build a reputation on what you're going to do"
      Henry Ford

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      • SnapOnKid
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 870

        #4
        Originally posted by Joe Rappa
        Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that that vehicle has tire pressure sensors. I think that systems uses the wheel speed sensors to detect low tires. There should be a reset button, and a short procedure to follow, after you air up the tires, change or rotate them.

        If I'm right, that is why you don't see tire pressure date...because there isn'y any.

        Joe
        After looking into this you are correct. It uses wheel speed and other sensors to calculate low psi. I think this customers problem was
        1. he had the tires over inflated to 42 psi
        2. even though they were installed by the dealer he had aftermarket rims...

        I was not familiar with this type of system And my boss is an idiot!!! You know what they say, if you want something done right do it your self! I should have looked this up on alldata my self...

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        • Jay G.
          Administrator
          • Dec 2006
          • 435

          #5
          Originally posted by SnapOnKid
          After looking into this you are correct. It uses wheel speed and other sensors to calculate low psi. I think this customers problem was
          1. he had the tires over inflated to 42 psi
          2. even though they were installed by the dealer he had aftermarket rims...

          I was not familiar with this type of system And my boss is an idiot!!! You know what they say, if you want something done right do it your self! I should have looked this up on alldata my self...
          SnapOnKid
          Certain vehicles, from certain years down, EX. 2004 Highlander, are equipped with an Indirect Tire Pressure Warning System. This means that there is no direct communication, so the Toyota Factory Tool does not support Tire Pressure option in the menu. Usually this kind of system is attached to the ABS System, and they share the components.
          At the end, and in reality, there is no Tire Pressure selection in the menu, not with our tools and not with the Factory Tool.

          This would be a good suggestion to the development team.

          Thanks
          Jay

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          • SnapOnKid
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 870

            #6
            Originally posted by Jay G.
            SnapOnKid
            Certain vehicles, from certain years down, EX. 2004 Highlander, are equipped with an Indirect Tire Pressure Warning System. This means that there is no direct communication, so the Toyota Factory Tool does not support Tire Pressure option in the menu. Usually this kind of system is attached to the ABS System, and they share the components.
            At the end, and in reality, there is no Tire Pressure selection in the menu, not with our tools and not with the Factory Tool.

            This would be a good suggestion to the development team.

            Thanks
            Jay
            Yes I was not aware of this for this vehicle. It's no wonder the guy I work for makes any money... any way what would you suggest to them, Jay??? I didn't even look in trouble shooter.

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            • Jay G.
              Administrator
              • Dec 2006
              • 435

              #7
              Originally posted by SnapOnKid
              Yes I was not aware of this for this vehicle. It's no wonder the guy I work for makes any money... any way what would you suggest to them, Jay??? I didn't even look in trouble shooter.
              Not sure, I will discuss with the Toyota application specialist and see what can be done. And why didn't you look in the Troubleshooter??

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              • SnapOnKid
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 870

                #8
                Originally posted by Jay G.
                Not sure, I will discuss with the Toyota application specialist and see what can be done. And why didn't you look in the Troubleshooter??
                When you work with lazy and ignorant people some times it rubs off... It's not an excuse and I should know better!!! Being new to this tool was also part of it. I am used to the P.O.S. we had before.

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                • Jay G.
                  Administrator
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 435

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SnapOnKid
                  When you work with lazy and ignorant people some times it rubs off... It's not an excuse and I should know better!!! Being new to this tool was also part of it. I am used to the P.O.S. we had before.
                  Understood

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                  • SnapOnKid
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 870

                    #10
                    BTW I was forwarded the pdf link for what's covered in 10.4. Of course I will need a new one when 11.2 arrives... LOL how about that abs signal test in the other post? Is that normal?

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                    • greasybob
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 1590

                      #11
                      If you really want to do tire pressure monitor systems the TPMS 3 is the way to go. Often times the data you see on the scanner is wrong and is only the last good data that was recorded. Just like you need a scope to prove what you see on your scanner is accurate, you need a TPMS tool that can read the sensors so you see if things mtach up. The only way to do diagnoostics is to compare information, same goes for TPMS. I've also run into a couple of cars(Hyundai) where the TPMS 3 is the only way to enter the new sensor registration numbers.

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                      • SnapOnKid
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 870

                        #12
                        Originally posted by greasybob
                        If you really want to do tire pressure monitor systems the TPMS 3 is the way to go. Often times the data you see on the scanner is wrong and is only the last good data that was recorded. Just like you need a scope to prove what you see on your scanner is accurate, you need a TPMS tool that can read the sensors so you see if things mtach up. The only way to do diagnoostics is to compare information, same goes for TPMS. I've also run into a couple of cars(Hyundai) where the TPMS 3 is the only way to enter the new sensor registration numbers.
                        Really??? What problems have you had with the TPMS Data support on the Solus Pro??? On the cars I was able to use it on, it has worked flawlessly.

                        What would the TPMS 3 Tool do that I couldn't do with the Solus pro???

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                        • greasybob
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2008
                          • 1590

                          #13
                          I work with a body shop and do a bit of fleet work, so I often see vehicles where tires have swapped or replaced without the sensors being registered. The quickest way I've found to straighten out these messes is with a tool that will read the sensor directly. There are also alot of the first TPMs equipped vehicles where the sensor batteries are starting to die. I've found on Mopars and Fords in particular that the vehicle only gives the scanner the last good data that it recieved from the sensors, so if a wheel has been replaced, the scanner still tells you the registration numbers and pressures of the last good sensor that was at that position, not the current info or lack there of if no sensor is present. Just get a reading on the TPMS 3 and compare to what the scanner data says and your on your way to solving that TPMS light. Another advantage of reading the registration number directly from the sensor is it speeds up the process of entering it even if doing that with the scanner. Other wise you would have to dismount the tire and physically read and record the numbers so could enter them into the scanner. The only way to enter the new registration numbers on an 07 Hyundai was through the DLC with the TPMS 3. Suzuki registration still not supported though. Never could figure those out.

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                          • SnapOnKid
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 870

                            #14
                            Originally posted by greasybob
                            I work with a body shop and do a bit of fleet work, so I often see vehicles where tires have swapped or replaced without the sensors being registered. The quickest way I've found to straighten out these messes is with a tool that will read the sensor directly. There are also alot of the first TPMs equipped vehicles where the sensor batteries are starting to die. I've found on Mopars and Fords in particular that the vehicle only gives the scanner the last good data that it recieved from the sensors, so if a wheel has been replaced, the scanner still tells you the registration numbers and pressures of the last good sensor that was at that position, not the current info or lack there of if no sensor is present. Just get a reading on the TPMS 3 and compare to what the scanner data says and your on your way to solving that TPMS light. Another advantage of reading the registration number directly from the sensor is it speeds up the process of entering it even if doing that with the scanner. Other wise you would have to dismount the tire and physically read and record the numbers so could enter them into the scanner. The only way to enter the new registration numbers on an 07 Hyundai was through the DLC with the TPMS 3. Suzuki registration still not supported though. Never could figure those out.
                            Intresting... I found the TPMS3 on SnapOn's online catolog and Its a pricey little booger. Would you say it has more capabilites then say the Bartech 400 tool I keep hearing about???

                            Keep in mind I am not fimilar with either of these tools or there full capabilites. I may have to get one of these after I research this some more.

                            In the last 2 weeks it seems we have had more TPMS related repairs come in then in the last year alone. LOL

                            2 damaged rims and tires needing full replacement needing a scan tool to turn the light off, 1 for an oil change and the light had to be turned off with a scan tool after service was complete. The other was this 04 toyota and the light kept coming back on.

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                            • greasybob
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2008
                              • 1590

                              #15
                              I think the Bartec is about $400 more, and might have better coverage because it's been around for a while, but I buy Snap On because the dealer has been good to me and is very dependable and would give me a loaner in minute if anything ever happened. Before the TPMS 3, I had the OTC 3833 for the last 4 years which did a good job of reading sensors but had no DLC connector and when prompted to do relearns almost always directed you to the book for the proper procedure so I traded it as soon as the TPMS 3 came out. As far as future software updates and coverage I wouldn't think the OEM s are going to be that protective as this is saftey issue and the info should be avalable. Just like basic emissions I hope this is the case anyways. Ive also heard that cloning the sensor IDs could be on the way.
                              Last edited by greasybob; 02-05-2011, 04:39 PM.

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