UK mitsubushi 10.2 - observations

[andybaz]

Hi,signed upto 10.2 ,dealer supplying me the application guide booke next week, so i can check for compatibilty issues.

1st observation: 2005 - mitsubishi - L200 - 2.5TD

While reading ENGINE & ABS & AIRBAG for data and codes, the ABS pack continually clicks away during the read,waiting on reply from UK SCANLINES for views and comments, any one else experienced this yet??

[David Green]

Hi Andy,

Please advise what you mean when you say 'clicks away'

Do you mean that the information on screen at time of reading disapears?

David

P.S. I have recently updated the software of the VP to 10.2. One new feature I found besides a different desk top view, 'colour background', is that they have included an explanation of 'Common Rail' diesel systems, however if you click on it and scroll to the last screen, which you don't know is the last screen until you try it, then you get a message on screen saying, 'illegal operation' the system will close?

But it does not close and sometimes the VP is difficult to shut down before rebooting again??

David

[andybaz]

Hi David, i take it the VP is the Versus??.

Mine is the s'pro and the click is the actuall abs pack on the L200 clicking away even though you are reading the engine system and NOT the abs system, the abs pack operates in all system checks -eng&abs&airbag.
The screen lay out has changed a little, i like the idea of where it groups a few engine sizes on one screen rather than clicking each time to move to another engine size.

My machine is for private use and does not get full useage compared to a garage, as and when we get sales car in the w/shop,i take the oppertunity to plug in and explore, reporting all observations/problems however small now to S.O., im on subscription for 12months now,so looking forwards to them playing ball and CORRECTING ALL problems as they occur and not waiting till next update.

[David Green]

Hi David, i take it the VP is the Versus??.

Mine is the s'pro and the click is the actuall abs pack on the L200 clicking away even though you are reading the engine system and NOT the abs system, the abs pack operates in all system checks -eng&abs&airbag.
The screen lay out has changed a little, i like the idea of where it groups a few engine sizes on one screen rather than clicking each time to move to another engine size.

My machine is for private use and does not get full useage compared to a garage, as and when we get sales car in the w/shop,i take the oppertunity to plug in and explore, reporting all observations/problems however small now to S.O., im on subscription for 12months now,so looking forwards to them playing ball and CORRECTING ALL problems as they occur and not waiting till next update.

Hi Andy,

No the VP is the Vantage Pro. See the description shown on this forum at the header. I have not updated my Solus Pro to the 10.2 as yet although I do have the software guide which has a wealth of information in it.

I know what you mean with problems via software and waiting for updates, but I could'nt see Snap On updating the software every month when people find problems, it may go on for a long time using that method?

I like the idea that Snap On write their own software from research they have carried out themselves, this I think is very good, however like I always find with this method, what happens is that you have a lot of good vehicles to take readings from, but no faults to record after investigations?

Every good piece of technical information always shows you what something should be, but never tells you actually what causes the symptoms you see when investigating the faults yourself?

So you may be observing a waveform which has deteriorated and displays interference, then you are left to decide if that signal is deteriorated because the sensor is malfunctioning or is because some other part of the electrical system is interfering, or the equipment is too sensitive?

David

[andybaz]

Hi all, reply from S.O. uk,very surprised i got a reply in under 3 months,as that was how long it took to get 1, bearing in mind i had to contact them again and again to get an answer,and have a email from them saying it is sorted BUT CAN NOT CONFIRM it is sorted is the comments from SO uk.

Any way back to this subject which will be catalogued with all observations i find, this is number 2.

CLICKING ABS motor pack during engine or abs or airbag reads, extracted from my email from SO uk:

"Yes, this is a characteristic of plugging into MITSUBUSHI L200 vehicles.

The same procedure happens when communicating with Mitsubishi using their own factory tool."

[Jay G.]

Wish list

Hi Andy,
I was looking at you wish list below,
Wishes: UK CARS to be added to UK software: could you expand on the UK Cars which models are missing?
Wishes: A web site where idea's can be posted for S.O to view: You can post you ideas on this site in "What do you want in your Snap-on tools"
Wishes: A UK based S.O website: This has come up in some discussions and is being looked into.

I will pass along your suggestions to my counter part in the UK.

Regards
Jay

[andybaz]

Hi Jay,
I know you have looked and commented on my comments added to this site.
I have also been told from the UK as the cars dont fail they wont be added, so likes of jag/suburu & suzuki to name a few wont be added.

A UK web site will be a GREAT ADVANTAGE, then we can get the UK market software info and car info, the info on this site for example 10.2 i find of no use as the models you have are not carried througfh to the uK market, we build our hopes, thinking yes, suzuki and suburu etc are being added,then when it comes to the uk market... oppps no, so a UK based site where UK car concerns can be commented on would be a great idea.

All i will be doing now, is to report all faults and concerns to SO uk via their email facility and await responses, unless i need a prompt answer then will ring. I have a email response to a previous problem, which says the problem has been sorted, but SO uk are still waiting on confirmation from IRELAND where the software is written ?? to confirm the problem has been sorted.

I appreiate diagnostic machines will never out do a dealers machine, otherwise no one will go back to the dealer.

[Jay G.]

Hi Andy,
I have passed along this post to my coworker in Cork.

Thanks
Jay

[andybaz]

OBD checks read, using OBD2 and K key on a UKcar

Not sure where 'cork' is.

As the titlte, option OBD Health check, pre 1999 cars i should imagine.
1-click yes:
2-Says use OBDII adapter with K20 key or DL-16 with S44.
Assuming the obd car does have DL 16,i pressume then the OBDII adapter is WRONG aswell, as it requires K20 key.

3-so i push NO to exit:new screen: 'Global OBDII code check' click YES.

The OBDII side of things is NOT clear.

So we now move to 'EOBD' option,- generic OBDII/EOBD is next screen - OBD diagnose - start communication - states use: OBDII adapter with K20 key or DL16 with 44.

So i am assuming i need the OBDII adapter and key K20 to do NON UK SPEC cars ??

[trader_reed]

OK AndyBaz,

I read you post a couple times to make sure I understood it properly.

[quote] As the titlte, option OBD Health check, pre 1999 cars i should imagine.
1-click yes:
2-Says use OBDII adapter with K20 key or DL-16 with S44.
Assuming the obd car does have DL 16,i pressume then the OBDII adapter is WRONG aswell, as it requires K20 key. [quote]

OBD health check is kinda like a quick snapshot of the OBDII/EOBD status its not the first generation OBD. They're using OBD as a generic term, in the case for European cars only applies to those cars 2001 and newer which are EOBD. OBDII adapter is also a 16 pin connector same as the DL-16 connector.

[quote] So i am assuming i need the OBDII adapter and key K20 to do NON UK SPEC cars ?? [quote]

Well yes and no, US market VW Passat can use both OBDII/K20 and DL-16/S44. Euro market Merc S320 also can use both OBDII/K20 and DL-16/S44. I'm not 100% sure about using DL-16/S44 with say a 2005 Ford Mustang made in the US for the US market.

What year, make and model are you trying to scan with what.....? (SPro/8.4/DL-16/S44)

Cork is a city in southern Ireland

[andybaz]

Thank you for the geography .

With working in a dealership, we also get the older cars in that are OBDII, may be im getting confussed.

My machine - s'pro 10.2, toyota coverage from 1999 onwards,and another popular car i work with is nissan,again s'pro coverage 1999 onwards.

So im guessing then i cant read toyota & nissan pre 99, and should think about buying a MT2500 machine for these cars.

Will haver to try a older car using the OBD health check option for cars pre 1999. Im still waiting on my dealer for my 10.2 coverage manual,then can start asking more questions,like how can i read non uk spec cars on my s'pro ' do i need to buy more software etc', or have i over looked something.

Will see what he brings on next visit...

[trader_reed]

It is going to be very rare that you find any cars in the UK before 2001 that are EOBD. I have found some mainly ones that would be marketed for the US also.

I see what your saying, your hoping to scan say a 1998 Toyota Avensis with the generic EOBD part of your SP. I don't think thats going to work but its worth a try right.

Again being able to scan cars that are not as you say UK spec with your European SP is going to be hit or miss, Example:

Hyundai Santa Fe are sold both in the US and UK. In drives a 2002 LHD US market 2.4l petrol that someone imported to the UK. Even though your UK SP doesn't have the 2.4l petrol engine listed you can scan it as 2002 2.0l petrol that Hyundai sold in the UK. You'll have enough capabilities to get you through most problems like a CKP sensor.

To be able to scan a car out of your software market there will have to be something similar to use in your scanner. I've a US Solus that I can scan a Nissan Note with, I just scan is as a US market Nissan Sentra. I won't work every time and in my case it only works when I don't need it

I had to ask a bunch of questions about market software before I got the right answers, If you want to be able to scan the full range of cars from the US or AUS market you will either need seperate US or AUS software. Or Use the International build software that has all three markets (US/UK/AUS) loaded in on CF card.

[andybaz]

nissan k11 srs non read - light on

Had to read a K11 nissan micra, 52 plate,srs light on, solus pro 10.2 & key 45, on all 3 screen options: reports back: 'No Codes Present'.

Any one else had probs, emailed S.O uk, waiting on reply.

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[QUOTE=andybaz;16142]Not sure where 'cork' is.

Cork, Ireland. SnapOn has an office there.