Installing "smart junction box". Need help!

[Trindaddy]

I thought i might have my first module to program last week. I am finding out though that i may not be able to and wanted advise from the flash veterans. Its a 2005 Mustang 6cyl, auto. It needs a new SJB or smart junction box which is in the passenger kick panel. After reading all i could about the process here is what i found:

Using the "Drew toolbox" and navigating to flashing, Ford, and then info, i read that modules on the medium speed network (which this is according to Shop Key) are not supported using Ford module programming (FMP). Then going to nastf.org and downloading the list of ford programmable modules, i did not find the SJB. After checking Snap On's website for the Modis's 10.4 application list it does not appear that the Modis can replace this module. We did access the data using the "gem" data (i think) when diagnosing this car earlier this week.
The r+r instructions for this module on shop key is very hard to decipher. It tells you to retrieve and download info from module into tool then back into new module. Then suggests a link to the pages regarding general "module configuration" which discusses 3 different types of module programming. In this section it lists the SJB as one that can be programmed a few different ways including calibration update. Yet this is not offered by Ford. Can the Modis do this? If FMP doesnt offer this and the Modis can not, is this strictly a function of the factory Ford tool? Has anyone ever done one of these types of modules? Do i have to let the dealer do the entire job?

[Steve6911]

Neil

Neither Ford nor Mazda support Medium Speed CAN Modules for J2534 reflashing. Just last week I ran into this on a Mazda that had an Evap issue. I myself have never had the displeasure of replacing one of these yet as all the ones I came across went back to the dealer to repair the water leak that these all have. You "MAY" be able to replace this module using "AS BUILT" but you didn't post the vehicles VIN so I couldn't look it up. You can check it yourself on Fords site without a subscription.

http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdirs/SPubs/default.asp?pageid=spubs_as_call&nomenu=yes

Steve

[Trindaddy]

Hi Steve,
I'm researching this Mustang from home so, once again, i dont have the VIN. I am starting to know my way around the Ford site and now have membership. How do i tell later (tomorrow) if the as-built option will work? Also, you surprised me with the "water-leak" guess! Yes, the SJB had corroded and broken terminals. Over a year ago i unplugged the wiper cowl drains because the water was flooding inside and have had no problem since. Obviosly, the water had some unforseen long-term effects. We did a thorough TSB and IATN search for the "no horn" and SJB issues this Mustang had when it came in last week and saw nothing about water leak damage. What "water leak" are you refering to?
If you have time, look at the toolbox2 under Ford/flashing/information/work-arounds. Is this what your refering to? Is using As-built different than using PMI with respect to Ford Module Programming at their site?
Steve, i feel like i owe you something. Your always so helpful. Wish i could return the favor but your always a step ahead.

Gratefully,
Neil

[Rich Barton]

Loading modules

Hi Trindaddy,

I load a lot of Ford Modules, but I can say I have never been ask to load a Smart Junction Box.

The jbox should be able to do As built data if it is needed, the same as the Ford Ids.
As built data is used on the modules as programing.
most of the time the only module that is flashed on a ford is the pcm but this has changed as cars got newer and now the rcm module is even flashed as well.

When I looked up the SJB on the car you stated, from what I see you might have to program the keys for a parameter reset which a jbox can do Keys, so I would think you are safe to go for it.

If you give me the Vin I can run it threw Ford

[Trindaddy]

Thanks a bunch Rich. Looks like you are also using Mitchell (shop key). I read that the Module data gets "pulled" and "replaced" a la GM IPC. As usual, i came home with a lot on my mind and no VIN#! Sorry guys, i gotta stop doin that. I dont want to keep bothering you guys for stuff. Once i get goin with this flashing thing.........How were you going to tell if as-built will work Rich? I think i've read just about everything. (wife is staring at me doing the "2 finger typing" and reading for hours now)

Neil

[Steve6911]

Neil

The water leak was not a guess, it's a know problem with these vehicles see Ford TSB 08-26-7

Rich would check the Ford site by inputting the VIN number into the AS BUILT portion of the site and see if that module comes up. Like I stated in my earlier post you do not need a subcription for that part of the site, I gave you a direct link to it. And yes that is what they are talking about in the toolbox2. Look at this link to an earlier post, I programmed a RCM on a 2010 Ford with AS BUILT, look at post number 4. That was the first version of Toolbox2, with the currenty one I could have cleared the codes without the IDS. It was there in the first version but didn't work.

http://productforum.autorepairdata.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4093

Steve

[Rich Barton]

Programing

Thanks a bunch Rich. Looks like you are also using Mitchell (shop key). I read that the Module data gets "pulled" and "replaced" a la GM IPC. As usual, i came home with a lot on my mind and no VIN#! Sorry guys, i gotta stop doin that. I dont want to keep bothering you guys for stuff. Once i get goin with this flashing thing.........How were you going to tell if as-built will work Rich? I think i've read just about everything. (wife is staring at me doing the "2 finger typing" and reading for hours now)

Neil

Hi Neil,

Once we have the vin we can enter it on the Ford site and it will show us what modules take as built on the car you are working on

Here is how to get there.

This info is free on the Ford site.

http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdirs/retail/default.asp?/menuIndex1=2

On the left side go to Quick Guides
Then go down the middle to Module Build Data (As Built)
Enter vin and it will show all the modules on your car that take (As Built Data).

These numbers will then be entered with the jbox when it ask you and you are done.

The best way to learn is to watch the jbox videos that are out they are very good.

Hope this helps

[Trindaddy]

All very helpful. Cant wait to try tomorrow! Thank you both.

Neil

PS:
So in closing, in this case, because of medium speed nature of SJB, the Ford site can not do PMI. And even though the old module is still in place and communicating the site cant "use" it and "as-built" is the only option to install a new one. Got it!
The shots in your posts are starting to remind me of the screens on the old WDS when i was @ Mazda. I feel a bit more confident seeing that old program! Wicked cool stuff.

[Trindaddy]

Heres what i got. Looks like i'm outa luck. What do ya think?

Module Reprogramming

VIN: 1ZVFT80N555131024
Vehicle Data: 0DEF FFFF FFF9

click here if module data required is not available below.

PCM Module
PCM 1 FFFF FFFF 0310
PCM 2 070D 3DFF FE60
PCM 3 FFFF FFFF FF0E
PCM 4 FFFF FFFF FF0F
PCM 5 FFFF FFFF FF10
PCM 6 FFFF FFFF FF11
PCM 7 FFFF FFFF FF12
PCM 8 FFFF FFFF FF13
PCM 9 FFFF FFFF FF14
BCE Modules TSB SSM Instructions
720-01-01 2023 0000 006C

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726-01-01 0028 0020 A920

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727-01-01 0000 A100 00D1


End of As Built information



How do you attach these screens like you guys do? I had to copy/ paste. What is the BCE modules?