Think I might get the pipe cleaner looking trees started here. With the cold we have, figure the moose/eagles will come. The buzzards have no long underwear and a bald head. They probably move to head chopper areas south ah here.
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Craig, get the SnapOn 14.4 cordless 1/4 impact and ratchet and screw gun. You can tear a whole vehicle apart and have it laying on the floor in a couple hours. So fast , you'll never remember how it all goes back together. Don't know about those manifolds. A 90 degree drill with left handed bits ? That's what I use on most manifolds. The cordless tools make things like bumper covers or any thing with a lot of little fastners (dashes) a breeze. You'll look like a body man in no time.Comment
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There is ALWAYS more to a job than the simplistic instructions. Quite often the BASIC time has to be ADDED TO the time to discharge, recover, evacuate and recharge an A/C system.
An example is a switch in a door panel where the door panel needs to come off.
Book time shows 0.3 for the switch yet the panel itself , which needs to come off FIRST, shows 0.5. That means the switch is a 0.8-hr job NOT the original .3 as SUGGESTED in a (and here are the CRITICAL words) time GUIDE-!!
A time GUIDE is NOT a time GOD-!!!
At the risk of sounding redundant i'm going to say that again....
A time GUIDE is NOT a time GOD-!!!
It's kinda like fixing a wire for 0.5 anywhere in a vehicle......
ABSOLUTELY-!!
I WILL fix ANY wire for a half hour PROVIDED someone ELSE spends the 2 hours to LOCATE the area that needs repairing AND gets everything out of the way for me to GET TO that area that needs repair, and after I'm finished with the 1/2 hour "repair", someone else puts it all back together again.
An "ESTIMATE" is exactly that.
An ESTIMATE.
If someone else wants to QUOTE a labour time charge then it is up to THEM to eat the differences, NOT the poor schmuck on the bench-!!!
Those are the DETAILS of the ABUSED flat rate pay system.
The poor schmuck on the bench is SUBSIDIZING the vehicle owner and the shop owner-!!!
Play BY THE RULES and I'll work flat rate all day long but if someone wants to ABUSE the rules and try to make ME pay for someone ELSES problem, well, then I'm better off locking my box and going home and cutting the grass (or shovelling the snow) and the other parties can fix it themselves-!!!
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I agree Crusty,
Some diagnostic times for a 2004 Canyon, Evap system, .7 hour , Engine analysis .7 , ABS and trans diagnostics top at one whole hour! I pulled a few valve covers for free to confirm worn cams during a scope check in the old days, not no more. Time is money and every operation needed to complete diagnostics should be billed, not saying if 5 hours of labor is what the job took to find the problem, it should cover your time plus a bit if you are a seasoned tech. Crappie day today, two theft recovery's, Got to love fixing busted columns! Got a 2004 Canyon with an intermitting starting no crank problem for tomorrow, Mitchell's wiring is all screwed and was getting close to snapping, Sorry Nick and the job will be no worst then the last.
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Gotta Love The State of Clifornia.
Had a class A coach dropped off by my R/V wholesaler customer today. I usually make sure all lights work, make sure brakes are 50% or better, have them smog tested, and what ever they decide to pay to have done. His instructions were to try to smog it before anything else is done.
32' Bounder '90 with 454 T.B.I.
They ran the test, passed the tailpipe emissions, but failed a bunch. Cat is missing, illegal headers, air injection system had been removed.
Go figure, all this modified failures but still passed the tailpipe sniff test.
Found out a couple months ago, CA. has a new smog program that starts January 1st. If a vehicle is 2000 and newer, the new test just plugs into the D.L.C. If all monitors are set, it passes....... No tailpipe sniff test.
My smog station has spent the money for the new tester, I have had 3 vehicles pass already without a dyno run, no probe in the pipe, just a 10 second plug into the D.L.C.
I just don't get it... Maybe I should not try.
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W.T.F.
Apparently I am having issues with this site. I refreshed before I typed the previous note. I did not see the last 6 posts.
The last post was Jakes 1903 post.
Now there are new ones.
Greasy, I have Matco cordless, yes makes a huge difference on most of these jobs.
Crusty, I agree also, just seems lately I am getting these vehicles for the first time, sometimes everything looks right. When you dig in, you find out everything is just wrong, I am trying to figure out the shortcuts. Just hard when treading on new water on a constant basis.
Greasy, back to the manifolds of the Hemi, the rear bolts have popped the heads off, so there is plenty of meat to grab to remove. Just trying to figure out how to get to them.
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One of the problems with the ASM-25/25 test was it was NOT under all speed and load conditions so it may very well be "fine" sniffing at the dyno speed. The problem with this testing is, as you have found out, that a LOT of things can be "fudged" and it shows that it isn't polluting when in fact it probably IS polluting going down the road. If they didn't really need all those things like A.I.R pumps, etc, the manufacturers most assuredly wouldn't have put them on in the first place. A.I.R for example goes way back to circa 1973-!!! About FOURTY YEARS AGO-!!
The advantage of the OBD Emissions testing for 2000 and newer vehicles is that the various "monitors" are self checking ALL THE TIME, under ALL road and load conditions which is more comprehensive than just the dyno tailpipe sniff. In effect, the vehicle is on the real world "dyno" of the roads in real world use ALL the time.
The way you've stated that the monitors are all "set" and it "passes" isn't quite correct. If all the monitors are "set", AND THERE ARE NO CODES, then the vehicle "passes.
A monitor being "set" just means the diagnostic executive has "made a decision". That decision could be good or it could be bad and flag a code.
There aren't many of the pre-OBD vehicles left on the road. Sure there are some but the vast majority of them have already died a natural death.
OBD-II was starting with OBD-II connectors under the dash in 1994 and was being implemented starting with 1996 vehicles. Some manufacturers had some difficulties "making things work properly" between 1996 and 2000 so they're not being too harsh on these early OBD-II vehicles.
For vehicles capable of operating the monitors PROPERLY, such as 2000 and newer, I think the OBD-II test is better for everyone.
Up here we changed to the OBD-II test a couple of years ago and it's much better than just a dyno tailpipe sniff.
One old trick to help a tailpipe sniff polluter was simply to pull the PCV valve up out of the valve cover. Too easy to fudge the dyno tailpipe test either way. An unsteady foot holding the throttle and a clean vehicle could have failed.
JMO
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Just to point out, there are 15 PAGES in this thread and over on the right side at the top and the bottom of each page there is a field that shows you which page you are on.
I'm not real good at the micro-junk print-page and windows-paint but maybe Nick or one of the other guys could show you.Comment
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Whois crusty? You on top ah tha ball?
How bout make a trip to the freezer door and close it a bit. It causing shite in SC... Buff-low too. All our records are broke. Guess thay'ULL need to buy moar.
HEY GREASYS, me-Flock supposed tah maka video on F150 Heater Core out in 14 minutes Sat. Gonna use a Stil to cut the necks....Mea Hack for sure..hehehehehe
The customer see us on youtube, wanna us to doit. Going to charge a 100 ruebulls. We'ULL have to hurry up I guess.
Crusty, you know who this is below in pix? He lives near the north pole bearings. Keeps em greased.Member of Klunker's Corporate, Land of the Great Scarples, Meat Rocks, Footsticks & Spray.Comment
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You don't have to deal with the biggest time buster of them all. People who want a quote on work for their truck then drop off the truck with the snow plow still attached. 2nd on the list, dash work when there is an aftermarket remote start installed.Comment
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Thanks Nick. That's it. One at the top right snd the same thing at the bottom right.
Dr Jake; THAT doesn't look like Santa- -!!!
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Here is a throw back Thursday picture of the new Sprint Cup Champion taken at Cajon Speedway many years ago.
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Crusty,
Yeah I get the pages thing.
When I logged on yesterday morning, Jakes post was the last one on here. (I was mistaken on the 1903 part, but it was page 14, post #132.) Throughout the day I would refresh the page and always no new posts. Then I commented, and bam, top post of page 15. Went back to 14, and all of the sudden I see posts from throughout the day that were not there when I last refreshed 2 minutes before.
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